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Okay, I’ll just jump right in again… :

 …it says ‘partakes of the Holy spirit” which means this is talking about real christians cuz the Holy Spirit is the seal of our salvation.

Okay, I don’t really agree.  When it refers to ‘sharing’ or ‘partaking’ in the Holy Spirit, I believe it means that they associated with the works of the Holy Spirit, and possibly even shared in some of the benefits of that association.  And while it’s possible that this passage is referring to a saving relationship, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it is one.  The Holy Spirit has many roles besides regeneration, including things like spiritual gifts, conviction of sins, and empowering for ministry, etc;  Did you know that non-believers can even do things like cast out demons, prophesy in Christ’s name, and many other powerful works?  And yet, that doesn’t mean they’re saved.
Does that make sense?

Second it literally says ‘fallen away’ and “it is impossible to renew them again to repentance”. Both of which state repentance is something these people once had.

Okay, so I just read @selah-chelyah ‘s response to this statement, and I found that I completely agree with it.  (Check out her last post!) So, can you take that as my answer????

You can’t believe the interpretation of the verse because it contradicts what you already believe (supported though it may be). You can’t ignore evidence simply because it goes against your convictions.

But I don’t think it’s evidence!  I don’t believe this passage is referring to true believers losing their salvation.   So I’m not ‘ignoring’ it.  I’m taking it all into account.  But I was simply stating that I don’t believe this verse is a contradiction in the first place, as God never contradicts Himself.  Isn’t that so comforting to remember that God’s always consistent?  He never lies, never takes things back, or changes His mind.  He’s promised us in so many passages (like ones I mentioned earlier– John 10:28, John 6:39-40, John 6:37, Hebrews 7:25, John 18:9, John 17:2, John 5:24, John 3:15-16, Isaiah 54:17, 1 John 5:13-20, Ephesians 4:30 etc;) that He’s saved us solely because of our belief in Him and that He’s accepted responsibility in keeping us so.  We can count on it.  So I can only conclude that anything in the Bible that appears to contradict that, must be talking about something else.  Do you understand what I’m saying?

“So please, explain to me why these verses DON’T mean that all true believers shall have eternal life.” *blinks twice* I mean, to me it seems pretty clear! I mean you don’t have to do some ‘in depth’ analysis!

And… it appears I’ve confused you again.  *facepalm* Sorry about that!  I wasn’t referring to the passage in Hebrews when I said that.  I was referring to all the verses I listed above, and asking you to tell me why you don’t believe they mean that God has promised eternal salvation to all who believe in Him.

Take, for instance, John 10:28, which says, “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.”   Isn’t that pretty clear?

Or how about John 6:39-40, “And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

So, what I’m asking, is that you explain to me how and why these verses DON’T mean we can’t lose our salvation.  Do you get what I mean?

“What’s the reason behind your ‘illogical logic’?  Am I missing something?” the reason, my dear friend, is we have two clearly contradictory bible verses. As such I do not try and understand how such things can be yet they are.

Okay, now I feel like we’re going in circles here.  The reason I asked this is because your explanation for how you find your assurance in you salvation wasn’t enough of an explanation for me.   If you believe it’s possible for a true believer to lose their salvation, like you claim passages like Hebrews 6 to mean, than how can you ever be sure that you are truly saved?  The way I see it, believing that salvation can be lost means you believe that God’s grace isn’t sufficient enough for us (see 2 Corinthians 12:8-9, Romans 3:20-24, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 2:11, Romans 6:14, Acts 15:11 and so on…), which is clearly not the case.

Also, you said that these verses are “clearly contradictory.”  But, as I mentioned above, this is not possible.  God doesn’t say one thing and then turn around and say another, even if it may look that way at first glance.  So, my dear brother, I’d have to say that I believe your ‘illogical logic’ is wrong.

Okay, in regards to your Romans 11 argument, do you mind giving me a little more time to think it over?  Hopefully I’ll be able to get back to you on it within a couple of days, but right now I’ve already spent much too much time at my computer and I still have some more things to look over.  So, hopefully I can get back to you on it asap.  🙂

Now, off the top of my head, I can’t think of a single time where Jesus is referred to as ‘the master’ of people he has not saved. Can you think of one?

Nope, can’t think of one!  But that’s the thing.  It says, “the Master.”  Not “their Master.”  After all, their truly is only one Master– some versions even say “Lord” or “Savior”, so these are just different names for God.

However would you claim then, if salvation is a ransom (because that the kind of language this particular verse uses) that Jesus, when He died on the cross, earned all the money to buy everyone’s freedom. Yet, unless they accept his money, they are not free?

Yes, I would say that.  I feel like the Bible is very clear that He died on the cross to pay the price for ALL of us.  We just need to repent and accept His free gift of salvation.

Okay, I guess that’s it for now.  Until next time then!

“Truly you have a dizzying intellect”   (*closes his eyes and hopes* please respond with the return quote…)

*clears throat dramatically*  “Wait till I get going!  Now, where was I?”

(And of course I can!  Would you expect anything less of me? XD)