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@sarah-inkdragon

Welllll, I haven’t read LotR, so I can’t comment on that one, lol. If it’s just as you described I would consider it clean, yet maturer in theme. Oh, and you said

Cleanliness, to me, means that I’m not going to stumble across a sex scene or some weird cult, or have to sit through 400 pages of swearing. Cleanliness does not mean that we can’t handle things like mental illnesses, abuse, injuries, war, etc. It shouldn’t mean that we can’t handle these things.

which I ompletely, completely agree with 😀 That’s what I was trying to say, to point out that a book being clean and a book handling mature themes are not mutually exclusive…was I clear enough on that?

However, you kinda lose me here…

The few books I’ve read that don’t whitewash some things were amazing, but still had some sense of the “clean” appearance too them. Not that that’s bad–but I think that we should portray the world as it is in it’s fallen state, not glorify it to be better than it is.

If a story hasn’t been whitewashed, and yet still has a sense of what is good and what is evil, isn’t that a good thing…? The way some have talked about “portraying the world” really seems to throw off warning signs in my head because I have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s very vague.