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I didn’t see anything I’d consider outright “grumpy” in your last response. 🙂 I do appreciate your stating/clarifying your feelings on this matter.

I find it interesting that as a female, I actually don’t have – would it be accurate if I call it despairing – feelings or issues with men being the spiritual leaders in the family and church. And appointed by God, no less. I’ll do my best here to explain to you my train of though – hopefully it won’t be too long-winded or confusing, but please let me know if any part of this is. 🙂

I see that you talked about “equal roles in society.” Perhaps we need to examine our respective definitions (and implications) of the term “equal.” Do you think equal roles mean identical roles? Or does it mean equal in terms of importance – such as saying “male and female roles, while different, both play equally vital roles in our society”? I think this can make huge difference. For example, both the mother and father play equally important – but different – roles in a family for their children.

I’m of the latter persuasion: men and women are not the same (some call it equal, but I think using the terms same or identical would be less ambiguous) biologically, psychologically, physically, and so on. For me, this is an obvious, fact-based statement. (Besides, it would be a terribly boring world if men and women are truly “equal” in terms of sameness.) And following the lack of completely identical traits in men and women, I think their respective roles and expectations are formed – by God (the standard, who does not change) and by society (the “norm”/trend/that often change). I think if a society such as ours is at this very moment expect women to take up identical roles as men, then the society is withholding the woman’s liberty to choose for herself based on her preferences and abilities. An example would be when “career” women shame homemakers – I know because I’ve seen it happen in my family. Just because women stay behind taking care of their children while men are drafted to combat doesn’t mean they’re not given equally important roles in our society. [And, on a side note, I’m completely against the idea of putting women into the draft… like, what’s up with this?]

I realize that I failed to address what Paul have said about husbands need to “love” their wives and wives need to “submit” to their husbands yet. And I recall him also using an analogy of as Christ is the head of the Church, so is the husband the head of his wife. About this, I think that the love Paul is referring to for the husbands to have for their wives is the greatest and ultimately self-sacrificing love: the love of God for his people even though they have turned from him time and again in the OT, the love for which Christ sacrificed himself on the cross for all peoples who choose to believe. The love that Paul describes in detail in 2 Corinthians. I also think this is the most difficult love to accomplish, yet it is given as the overarching responsibility to husbands. On the other hand, wives are given the role of submission. I recommend reading this article here defining hupotasso which the Greek term that was translated to submission. http://www.chapter3min.org/hupotasso-submission-verses-in-the-new-testament/ I personally interpret this as meaning respecting and obeying leadership that is competent and morally good: like when people following an honorable leader of their country. I do not see anywhere that Christians are to expect wives to be mute slaves or “lesser thans.” What do you think?

While I do recognize the ability of radical feminists to persevere in their “cause” and advancing it by what you have aptly called thematic storytelling, I think it’s vital to differentiate between what they believe is right and good vs. what God and the Bible have stated are right and good. After all, many radical feminists today believe that pro-choice is a “good and liberating thing.” Yet as a Christian I know it’s clearly wrong and abortion nothing less than murder. Certainly Christians need to outmatch those in Hollywood and the press who do have know the light of the Gospel nor uphold the standards of God – we have to use the power of film and words to impact hearts as well. That’s why we’re here in Parimi Alca, right? 🙂 What do you think?

I was sad to find out that I didn’t like Rey, or Rose, or General Holdo (purple hair lady) all that much. They’ve all done admirable deeds (Rey trying to save and believing in Ren, Rose saving Finn from sacrificing himself, and Holdo with the light speeding through the bad guy’s ship), yet all of their characters felt like hollow shells (especially Rey) or card-board cutouts, and rather not truly rounded human beings. 🙂 I wanted to like them, but didn’t. For me, TLJ’s best character hierarchy list goes like this: Luke, Ren, Poe, Finn, Rose, Holdo, Leia, and finally, Rey behind everyone else. 😛

When you said a vocal group of Christian conservatives holding female characters to a higher standard in bad faith, I’m somewhat confused. Perhaps you can expound on this more? (Examples?)

Wow, that’s almost close to 900 words. 😛 Hopefully I didn’t bore you. I heartily welcome your thoughts/response/questions!

(Also, I’ll wrote this last night but thought I’d wait a while to think about it before posting it up. I’ll also be sure to address your response to my Last Jedi thread sometime next week. 🙂

P.S. What are your thoughts on some of the website articles that come up in the search engine when one type in “women leadership in the Bible”?