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  • #103200
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    She has been checking it, @naiya-dyani. I asked her to be sure.

    #99453
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    Inspired by your reply @daeus-lamb, I decided to do some research on INFP villains. Not surprisingly, I couldn’t readily come up with any very good examples of INFP villains.

    I did read a comment, however, where someone mentioned how they often saw INFPs as protagonists and sidekicks, and the reason why INFP villains are so uncommon came to me.

    Most villains are divas, but INFPs hate the spotlight. Period. While they might be compromised or misguided enough to be a sidekick to a villain, be inspired to support a hero as a sidekick, or prompted enough by their sense of responsibility or/and by the need to protect those they care about to become protagonists themselves, INFPs aren’t naturally drawn to power and leadership. (My INFP mom wholeheartedly agrees with me on this. Recognition means loss of privacy!)

    They value the comfort of themselves and others a great deal. The spotlight is like torture to them.

    They would probably take the spotlight as some form of self-sacrifice rather than because of ambition.

    Also, while I could imagine an INFP possibly turning to evil in order to save their family and friends (like how Luke was tempted by the Emperor), or destroying the world in order to save it in some bizarre way, I think they are often far more likely to think about it, maybe even talk about it, rather than actually do it.

    Kylo Ren was motivated by betrayal, desire for revenge, and thirst for power and recognition. After being betrayed just one time by Luke, he hated him and thought Luke was the true evil. He blamed Luke for his own weakness. He held a grudge against him that he never forgot or forgave.

    He justified the evil he did because of his perception of Luke and his behavior. Luke betrayed me first. He had it coming. I had a right to retaliate. It’s his fault for starting it.

    Using someone else’s behavior to justify his own? All of this sounds incredibly ISFP/ISFJ to me. I think if my ISFP brother were an evil villain he would be a lot like Kylo.

    Kylo’s character is rather inconsistent, so I don’t think it can be too deeply analyzed, but still. I don’t think his motivations are like an INFP’s at all.

    You mentioned that Kylo had twisted values. Where did he get those values? Surely his parents didn’t raise him that way, and Luke didn’t train him that way. Yes, he was influenced by Snope, but, especially if he were an INFP, I hardly think that would be enough to undo all of the good influences in his life and the way he was raised.

    Honestly though, regardless of whether I’m right or wrong about his MBTI type, Kylo is a terrible example of an INFP character to give someone for reference because both he and his story are so poorly invented. I would suggest Luke or Frodo first. They’re both pretty awesome characters. 🙂

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 1 month ago by overcomer.
    #99337
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    @daeus-lamb , I’m sorry to contradict what you say, but I am afraid that your analysis of the INFP, as well as the example you gave, might be misleading to Naiya.

    First of all, Kylo Ren isn’t a very stable character, personality-wise, so he is difficult to type, but I firmly disagree with the INFP assessment.

    The closest personality to his character I would put as ISFJ.

    By contrast, Luke’s personality is an excellent example of an INFP male character. That incorruptibleness, strong sense of justice and obligation, and seeing the good in his father, etc.

    It’s not that it’s impossible for an INFP to turn evil, but it would take a lot more than some broken trust. The INFP has a natural bent for good and a keen conscience that’s hard for them to ignore. Also, they don’t go in for grudges and revenge like some of the other types do.

    Of course, that’s not the only reason why I disagree with your assessment of Kylo Ren.

    I don’t think that INFPs are as surprising as you give them credit for. My brother is an ISFP, and his reactions can be difficult to predict like how you described. His personality is known for that. They are very sensitive and tend to cling to past wrongs. His is the closest personality to Kylo Ren’s that I am familiar with (not the evil part), but I think Kylo is a J rather than a P.

    Both my sister and I spend a lot of time (too much time) studying MBTI, and we both agree with ISFJ as being the closest to Kylo’s personality.

    I think too if you consider Kylo and Luke’s characters side by side the differences become more obvious.

    I’m not looking for a debate (even though I’m an ENTP I prefer in-person debate to online), but free to disagree with me or offer a counter-argument if you have one. 🙂

    #99335
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    I’m glad I was able to help, Naiya! 🙂

    #99276
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    Cool! My family has some Irish heritage as well. We used to think that our surname “O’Bier” was Irish too but it’s not. It’s actually French, or possibly even German. 🙂

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 1 month ago by overcomer.
    #99202
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    One more thing: I don’t know if you’ve read The Hunger Games but my sister loves those books because the main character, Katniss Everdeen, is an INTJ. That might give you some ideas as well. 🙂

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 1 month ago by overcomer.
    #99201
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    Also, I read those descriptions to my mom and sister before submitting them, just to make sure they were okay with it, and their reactions were pretty much as I anticipated.

    My Sherlock-like sister thought that I wasn’t nearly flattering enough in my description of her analytical abilities and predictive powers. 😉

    I will attempt to do her justice now. Her INTJ brain is excellent at analyzing (she’ll tear a movie apart piece by piece and pinpoint every error), and very, very good at prediction. She can predict outcomes with accuracy, and she tends to do it years in advance. Like the last election, for example.

    She’s nearly impossible to surprise, and almost as difficult to impress.

    My mom thought that my description was a little too flattering, underrating herself as usual, but that’s what I’m around for. 🙂

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 1 month ago by overcomer.
    #99200
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    I have an older sister who is an INTJ, and my mom is an INFP. I don’t think I know any guys who are INFPs, but I read Ordeal by Innocence by Agatha Christie that has a character in it that seemed like the male counterpart of my mom. His name is Arthur Calgary. It’s a very good book if you like mysteries, and one of my favorites by that author. If you’re looking for some insight into the INF it might be helpful.

    Word of caution though: Just avoid the miniseries. They completely butchered the story. It’s horrendous.

    I’ll have to talk my sister into joining the forum. I’m sure she’d love to tell you all about INTJs. She really gets into the MBTI system.

    I can tell you a little of what I’ve learned from observing them though.

    My INTJ sister doesn’t show much emotion in public. She keeps a lot of her opinions to herself. Then she unloads them on her family when she gets home. 😉

    For instance, if she has a bad experience in a restaurant, she’s unlikely to say anything to the waitress at the time (although she has gotten a little bolder with speaking out since she reached her twenties), but she’ll tell us how awful it was when she gets home. She has a lot of bad experiences when she goes out. I can’t tell if she’s just incident prone or if her expectations are too high. Probably both. 🙂

    She doesn’t talk a lot unless it’s to us, or someone who interests her.

    When she does socialize she wears out pretty easily and then she needs a lot of time to herself to recharge.

    She’s more comfortable expressing her emotions at home with her family. Her vehemence is actually pretty impressive. She usually rants when exasperated.

    She shows love in thoughtful ways, like thinking of you when she’s out and sees something she knows you’ll like (she’s great at present finding), and scolding–er, giving you a pep talk when you’re down.

    Sometimes when I’m really down she turns on her extraverted personality (which is a lot like an ENFP) and makes me laugh because she’s being so unlike her usual self.

    She also is very generous with her things.

    She’s like a kid when she’s excited about something.

    She avoids most social situations.

    When she sees someone she loves being bullied, she won’t sit still. If confronting the person responsible won’t do any good, she comes up with ways to distract her loved one and cheer them up.

    She doesn’t forget the bully, however. She’ll keep coming up with plans to save her loved one from their clutches until she strikes on one she knows will work. She’s very protective.

    Her best friend and closest family member is an ISFJ. They’re like Sherlock and Watson, and they’re inseparable. Sherlock will do anything for Watson, you know. 🙂

    When she’s interested in something she tends to work exclusively on that one project with considerable energy. She’s not much into multitasking.

    She feels socially awkward but most people find her charming and are drawn to her INTJ brilliance. This frankly baffles her because she doesn’t like most people. Like, at all. XD

    She has tremendous insight into personalities and people, but she can be a little harsh sometimes in her judgment, and a little fatalist when she can perceive a bad outcome to something that hasn’t even occurred yet. I sometimes have to remind her that the future is the future, and we can still do something about it. And if we can’t, God can.  🙂

    My Mom’s personality is very different in a lot of ways.

    As an INFP, she’s surprisingly wise and intelligent, with good intuition, though she doesn’t practically read the future like my sister does, or even foresee as far as I tend to do (I’m an ENTP).

    She’s a strong INFP, so unlike an INFP who may have received more shaming, been less resilient to bullying growing up (she was bullied), or who involved themselves in unhealthy relationships (she has a great marriage to my ISTP father) she is more confident in herself, although she still tends to shamelessly underrate herself (which I have to set her straight on a lot by telling her how amazing she is. Being an ENTP, I’m zealous for the truth).

    She is an oldest sibling, and was an only child for a long time, so I think that contributes in part to how strong she is.

    She is very loyal. She always puts her family and her responsibilities first. She’s too good sometimes. That used to frustrate me some before I learned about MBTI and figured out that I couldn’t achieve that INFP goodness even if I tried. XD It’s unmatched.

    I think this is one of the main reasons why they are bullied a lot though. They don’t stand out much, but their sense of justice and inner righteousness can shine and make the people around them envious and hate them.

    She used to be a little harsher in her judgment of others because of how different she was, but since she learned about MBTI she’s grown more understanding as well.

    She loves her home. It is her sanctuary. She really doesn’t feel the need to go out much like I do. She’s a surprisingly content person.

    She’s thoughtful, caring, and has the most comforting presence. She puts others before herself. The comfort of other people is essential to her own.

    She’s careful and detail-oriented in nearly all that she does.

    Most INFPs have at least one thing they’re reckless about though. Something surprising that you wouldn’t expect.

    She hates to feel like she’s been walked on or like her strong sense of responsibility is being abused by others. She won’t take injustice in silence. Not to herself, and not to others.

    If she sees injustice, especially when it involves her family, she can become consumed with righteous anger, and when she speaks out against that person and admonishes and chastises them, it’s like righteous anger from heaven. There is no beating her in times like those. It doesn’t matter if you’re the most eloquent of personalities or the most smooth-tongued narcissist. If you’re not smart enough to be silent and take your medicine you will wish you were.

    It’s like a superpower, but she doesn’t abuse it.

    I feel blessed to have had the opportunity to witness such a marvel on one or two rare occasions.

    I’m not sure how all of this would translate to a guy, but I thought it might be helpful. Sounds like your INFP character was shamed a lot growing up. That will affect his personality. He’ll probably be weaker, less confident, and dependant than someone like my mom. He’ll probably carry around a lot of emotional scars. INFPs don’t forget stuff like that, even if they forgive. They’re very sensitive and precious people. Unfortunately, it seems like they’re often not cherished as much as they should be, at least that’s what I gather from my research on the personality.

    Sometimes the three of us will have deep discussions where we analyze people and their personalities. We’re all pretty fascinated by the things that make people unique.

    My sister and I also engage in pretty intense debates from time to time.

    Anyway, I hope some of that was helpful. Sorry it wasn’t very organized. I just wrote stuff as I thought of it.

    #99138
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    I just saw the words “Sci-Fi” and “Serial Story”. Let me at it! XD

    I’ll definitely be checking it out. Cool name, by the way, @quinn-ofallon. Is that your real name or a pseudonym?

    I can’t think of that word, “pseudonym” anymore without cracking up ever since my sister thought it was some kind of drug. XD

    We like to joke that Pseudonym is the deadliest drug for authors.

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    #99136
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    I just wrote this (literally) on an impulse. I haven’t edited it much yet. I just felt like sharing it. It doesn’t have a name.

    Also, I like your poem, @k-a-grey . 🙂

     

    “I’m tired”, I roll over and say
    I drop my pen and leave it to lay
    Gathering dust, I used to play
    With words, now my fingers rust
    I used to write, but now I must
    My heart is filled with decay
    Yet, I have a duty to pay
    My words cannot go away
    I must write and make them stay
    So I pray
    Every day
    My heart will be okay
    In the face of doubts’ array
    My pen will valiantly face the fray
    And with enough courage, I may
    Summon forth a victory

    #93214
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    That story is hilarious, @edmund-lloyd-fletcher! XD Thanks for the example.

    #74333
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    RESOURCES! *pounces like a cat* Thank you! 😀

    I’m a fantasy writer who is being turned to the sci-fi side of the Force. XD

    #61853
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    I’d like to be part of both boards. An art board sounds like a fantastic idea too. 🙂

    https://www.pinterest.com/faeriestory/

    #60364
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    This sounds like an awesome idea, @gabriellepollack . I’m very fond of Pinterest and like to pin unusual words, scenery, prompts, and other writing inspiration. I would be happy to help if I can. 🙂

    #55705
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    Yes, I am, @the-fledgling-artist . At this point, I’m mainly working on improving my rusty art skills, so I haven’t gotten very far beyond story planning and character design.

    I’m currently working on a superhero comic (possibly webcomic) I’m calling The Adventures of Jellyman and Butterboy. It’s about a clever, super-intelligent sidekick who assists and manages his very lazy but very powerful and good-natured superhero boss, Jellyman. Yes, sandwiches are my inspiration. XD I don’t know how far I’ll get with it yet (since I’m a total comic creating newbie), but planning it is really fun. 🙂

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