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Concept bouncing!

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  • #126038
    Audra E. S.
    @backwardslivewriter

    Sooo, the thing is, the largest portion of how people will react to your writing, is your concept. Phenomenal writing with a weak concept? It will fall through. Okay writing with a strong concept? It will stand.

    This is for us to look at eachothers’ synopses and helpfully, kindly, be resonators for one another. To say that that concept right there is utterly brilliant, while that one could use some work. Point out the good and bad points.

    Could one steal past those watchful dragons? I thought I could.
    -C.S. Lewis

    #126039
    Cathy
    @this-is-not-an-alien

    Ooh, this sounds fun (and helpful)! Idk if a concept is more important than execution but it sure dang helps XD (maybe we could grow as writers debating the different points of good concept against good execution (or maybe I just like arguing more than is humanly reasonableXD)). Anyway, concept:
    So my story is a fantasy-thriller set in a world where some people are born with special powers and in the early ages acted as guides/leaders, basically Old Testament prophets. But eventually they started abusing their power to the point that everybody rebelled and figured out ways to counter abilities. Now, ability-borns are an outlawed minority that a lot of people think are extinct and those who don’t are bitterly prejudiced against them. (Skipping half the subplots) So now my MC is a fugitive, fire ability-born with C-PTSD (Complex-Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) journeying to the Temple ruins both in search of a mentor and a purpose while trying to prevent an inevitable revival of a complex cult who’s tamperings with magic have mad a rise in several ghoul-species and especially has spread the windigo fever throughout the Twelve Kingdoms of Casumbra. Although no one knows the whole story, several different people spend most of the book piecing together my MC’s backstory, trying to figure out what happened two years previous that led to him vanishing without a trace from his home town. Nobody really knows the whole story except the silent, hidden villain whose only known ties is a childhood relationship with my MC ending in subsequent betrayal/guilt complex blahblahblah big mystery.
    So that’s the…really simplified version, my biggest problem is getting all that in without info-dumping and building up with relevant sub-plots and over-all not being way too confusing and so…that’s me, here reporting for concept criticing XD

    Don't let the voices in your head drive you insane;only some of them can drive; most are underage

    #126043
    Zee
    @zee

    Great thread idea, @backwardslivewriter…I’m going to be moving back into the concept-exploring phase myself soon.

    #126044
    Arindown (Gracie)
    @arindown

    @backwardslivewriter

    This is an awesome idea. I’ll for sure be watching this thread…and probably trying to put my concept into one paragraph so I can share it.😂

    Not all those who wander are lost.

    #126068
    DeepRun
    @deeprun

    Maybe that’s the first step.  Can you encapsulate your concept in one paragraph?

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    You do not have a soul. You have a body.
    You are a soul. - C.S. Lewis

    #133396
    Audra E. S.
    @backwardslivewriter

    @this-is-not-an-alien , not much I can say to that! It is 110% something I would read, and as of yet I don’t have much to say critically.

    Here we go… Prepare to critique, y’all.

    Concept:
    A fantasy/potentially dystopian series themed around siblings, brokenness, and discovery. Initial: Twin sisters meet after being separated as, accidentally sparking a war between their adoptive families, both of which are royal. Second: Twin brothers come to mainland chasing supposed killers of their father, find protagonists of previous story protecting said killers. Third: Children of previous stories in series discover each other and fight against second protagonist of second story, who is attempting to destroy all mixed-breeds, like those that killed his father.

    Could one steal past those watchful dragons? I thought I could.
    -C.S. Lewis

    #133441
    Lona
    @lonathecat

    @this-is-not-an-alien

    Wow that sounds awesome! A little confusing, but I bet the book itself would make sense. 🙂


    @backwardslivewriter

    Cool, a whole series! Out of curiosity, when you say the children of the protagonists from the 2nd one fight, do you mean children as in 5-12 year olds, or literally they are just the biological children and they are adults? Just wondering because I think writing children main characters in that intense of a situation would be difficult. Though, I 100% believe you could do it if you wanted to! 🙂

    #133444
    MelancholicWriter
    @melancholicwriter

    Ooh this sounds cool…and a good reminder…I never really think about concept…I’ll try mine…

    A fantasy about a girl who gets taken from earth into another world. She is sent on a quest with the king’s son by the king who has sorcery powers, as does his son and she must face trials to come to the end of her quest. Little does she know that the big test is still to come when she finds out that the king’s son is an imposter who has been tricking everyone but the real son, who she met during her quest. She must then work with the true son to defeat the imposter and restore the kingdom from certain doom.

    Now plz tear it apart lol.

    "Courage is found in unlikely places." JRR Tolkien

    #133446
    Audra E. S.
    @backwardslivewriter

    …The only problem that I can really see is logical, @melancholicwriter . If the king himself has sorcery and sent them on this quest, how would the imposter get past his guard to go with them as his son? And how would the true son be with them, similarly?


    @lonathecat
    the children are actually those of the protagonists from both previous books, and they are in their early to mostly late teens. One of them is the second protagonist’s only child and two of the other children’s cousin. There is a lot that goes into his betrayal of his father, but the gist of it is: He’s not insane and he can see the flawed logic. If he tries to point out the flawed logic his father is very much not happy and forces him to execute some of the mixed-breed prisoners before he can escape him.

    Could one steal past those watchful dragons? I thought I could.
    -C.S. Lewis

    #133447
    MelancholicWriter
    @melancholicwriter

    @backwardslivewriter

    so I’m really bad at summarizing things so here’s what I missed…so in this land the king and his heir have sorcery powers…but there is an evil man who has greater sorcerer powers than the king and so he’s been tricking everyone for years but the true son can’t just go and say that he is the true son because he would get killed. And the true son shows up at some point, making the false son wary and he tells Mercedes (who the book is about) that the true son is evil and to stay away…

    I haven’t finished writing so not all the bugs are out of it…

    "Courage is found in unlikely places." JRR Tolkien

    #133449
    Audra E. S.
    @backwardslivewriter

    Ah okay that makes sense!

    Could one steal past those watchful dragons? I thought I could.
    -C.S. Lewis

    #133507
    Cathy
    @this-is-not-an-alien

    @backwardslivewriter, oh thanks! (I hope I can pull it off) If you see a flaw in it don’t mind hurting my feelings please <3
    Your concept sounds complex! Is there a particular importance to them being twins? There doesn’t have to be, but it’s a cool idea to play with! Definitely something I’d read especially the intertwining of two different viewpoints/stories and the parallel of them both being twins. Who are the mixed-breeds?

    @lonathecat
    , Haha…yeah it’s confusing, that’s one of my biggest problems writing I try to tell too much too quick. What I need for that is more focus on just 1-2 things at a time so it’ll have to be a slow burn with subplots to demonstrate every aspect of the main plot…hopefully. Thank you for pointing that out, it really is one of my biggest problems! Lemmie see if I can’t sum up the actually important points there, focusing on the theme here:

    The first book is a high fantasy thriller following Alessio, a fugitive prince who has C-PTSD, born with strongest powers seen since the Great War, as he follows a puzzle-trail of old legends to find the missing Temple Ruins where gifteds were trained. All the time hounded by secrets that could shift the tide of both the war and internal violence, he has to keep hidden surviving with the help of a brawling glass girl and a newly knighted citizen of Avonia, the kingdom Alessio’s home is at war with. For characters steeped in violence, manipulative situations and intrigue questions spill through each new-formed friendship:
    What is love, especially against co-dependency, obsession and narcissist abuse?
    How far does respect for another’s decisions go when their own choices are self-injurious?
    What is the line between right and wrong under extreme duress or even just the fear of such?
    And how can you know your own identity after you’ve spent a lifetime suppressing it?

    …was it better or still a little confusing? Thanks again for pointing that out! What’s your WIP about?

    Don't let the voices in your head drive you insane;only some of them can drive; most are underage

    #133517
    K.M. Small
    @morreafirebird

    Fantastic topic thread! Thanks for starting it, @backwardslivewriter !

    I’ll critique a couple concepts then drop mine in…

    Regarding yours, I love the idea of separated twin sisters starting a war between their adoptive families. It seems like there would be a ton of strong conflict in there! It did strike me as a little odd that both books 1&2 would feature twins, but if that’s part of the theme you’re going for, I think it works. Otherwise, I’m intrigued by these ideas! I guess if I knew a little more about the worldbuilding, I could give some critique on that as well 🙂

    ~ Khylie
    "Beauty will save the world." - Dostoevsky

    #133518
    K.M. Small
    @morreafirebird

    @this-is-not-an-alien

    I really like the worldbuilding with the ability-borns! My one thought (and maybe you’ve already done this), is to have a deeper reason for them ending up abusing their powers. Like, some sort of twist to eventually surprise readers and change the direction of the plot and/or affect the main character.

    I’m already really intrigued by your main character, and I LOVE the thematic questions the story is asking. Really, those are amazing and I would totally read a book that explores them! My main critique regarding that part is first that I’m wondering what Alessio’s motivation is for doing what he’s doing. I’m guessing you already have that figured out, but just from what I’ve read about him, I’d want to know his motivation in order to find him believable. Also (again, you may have already thought of this but can’t fit it into your description, which I totally get XD), but is there something selfless about him? Or… like, I guess from the description I’m looking for a reason to care about him beyond that he’s been through a lot of trauma. Is he doing what he’s doing to save someone he loves? Or to be worthy of someone he loves? Or something along those lines?

    I hope all that made sense… I’ve never critiqued concepts before! But I can sense some really awesome worldbuilding and tough thematic questions in this concept, and it’s totally something I would read! 😀

    ~ Khylie
    "Beauty will save the world." - Dostoevsky

    #133519
    K.M. Small
    @morreafirebird

    @melancholicwriter

    Oooh, a portal fantasy! That sounds interesting right away! 😀

    I guess my biggest critique is that I’d want to know why 1) the MC is transferred to another world (is one of her parents from there and she doesn’t know it, maybe?), and 2) why the king would send her on the quest. Is there something special about her? What is the purpose of the quest and the big test? Is he trying to destroy her because she’s prophesied to harm him? Or save his kingdom? And why must she work with the true son to defeat the imposter? What is personally at stake for her and what is her motivation? You might already have this stuff figured out, but just from the stuff you wrote, those questions came to mind for me 🙂

    ~ Khylie
    "Beauty will save the world." - Dostoevsky

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