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  • #146308
    K. A. Grey
    @k-a-grey

    Hey guys! I hope everyone had a very Merry Christmas!

    Okay, so can we make the deadline Tuesday night instead? That way everyone has more time to join if they want to (including me)😛


    @erynne
    It’d be awesome if you could join! I think I’ll be one of the contestants, and Emily and Joshua will be the judges.   @Emma-walker and @winter_rose might join too.  Let me know if you have any more questions!

    #146344
    Laura K. Abeid
    @mamaauthoress

    @this-is-not-an-alien


    @erynne

    Again … I’m sorry I missed this.

    I’m okay. (:

    I am broken. I am bleeding .... But I am beautiful.

    #146379
    Winter Rose
    @winter_rose

    @k-a-grey

    Sorry I responded late!

    I don’t think I’ll be participating and it looks like enough people are willing to be judges, so I’ll just leave this one to you guys.

    Maybe change the deadline and possibly the prompt so that some pieces are submitted?

    What I know in my head and what I believe in my heart are two entirely different things.

    #146392
    Cathy
    @this-is-not-an-alien

    OH I DIDN’T RESPOND TO YOU EARLIER @K-A-GREY!!!!!!!

    Yes, I’m willing to help if you’d like!  I’m interested in some of these issues myself, so I’m curious to see how you presented them in fiction.  I should probably let you know beforehand though, that I consider myself to be very conservative in my beliefs, so if I don’t eye-to-eye with you on some topics, I’ll still try to be respectful of your stances.  And yes, I agree that lgbtq people should be treated with respect and dignity as human beings, even if we don’t agree with their beliefs.  As a Christian, I can’t condone their behavior, but I’m not gonna blast them all to H-E-double-hockey-sticks either.  I think this community needs to be reached with God’s love if they’re ever going to see who God created and designed them to be. This community seems to have a lot of confused, hurting people who don’t know who they are anymore, because the world tells them they can be anything, while at the same time pressuring them to become something they were never meant to be.  As for representing these people in fiction, I think great care needs to be taken when writing from a Christian perspective.  I don’t think they should be held up as our role models, but I also think that done carefully, they can show the brokenness of humanity and our need for a Savior just as much as any other character regardless of gender identity, race, etc. Because we all need Jesus.

    Totally noted! I’ve gotten a lot of different perspectives to read my drafts to “test everything, accept what is true” or something like that I’m really bad at remembering verses XDD. *Also spent a stupid amount of time not getting H-E double hockeysticks. EVEN THO I’VE USED THAT EXPRESSION BEFORE!!!!*

    I totally get your perspective that they shouldn’t be held up as role models but just think a moment: no one’s ever fazed when we have an MC that’s a bounty-hunter, assassin, playboy, vixen, etc any time of serious sinful behavior/profession because it’s normalized or we anticipate a character arc that’ll change that, and we love these antiheroes like Han Solo who was canonically a drug dealer in StarWars. But we get scared when there’s an openly queer character, but what about Peppermint Patty in the Peanuts? She was my favorite character (ok I can’t decide between her and Snoopy!) in the Peanuts and had huge nonbinary vibes and her friend, Marci, respected that and called her ‘sir ‘(*pls pls tell me I wasn’t the only bewildered little kid wondering whether it was ‘safe’ to ship her and Marci instead of her and Charlie Brown XDDDDD*)

    So, I don’t really think it’s so much that we wanna take so much care with representation or not want a queer character as a role mole as much as we don’t want to fall in love with a character and feel guilty about it because that character’s actions are condoned and they’re so fun and identifiable we hardly even want them to change. I think that’s what most people are against more.

    With my characters I want there to be a clear distinction between action and identity; accepting who they are, not what they do about it. I want my queer characters to be very identifiable and loveable because who would you rather listen to: someone who demands you change and hold up to the same bar as everyone else or someone who says ‘I understand what you’re going through and that you can’t be like everyone else, I want you to be the best you you can be but don’t do this because this is better for you.’? I love how Jesus became Man and human in everything but sin and I want to give that kind of representation for queer people; not what not to do but what you can do and still be Christian, and why these things aren’t right.

    So, among other things, that’s what I’d like to convey; it might seem best at first but there’s a lot of consequences and there is a better way. Did you know lgbtq+ is more common with people who are on the Asperger’s’/Autistic Spectrum or ADHD or something neurodiverse like that? It makes it almost, if not entirely, impossible to connect the same way as other people and that’s a thing that’s gotta be addressed. They can’t connect like other people and that makes them outcast in most circles of society and society’s lazy and tells them to just announce their gender and sexuality or whatever to conform as close as possible and they’re never given a better option; that’s the best they can expect by society’s terms all too often!

    So there’s gonna be a give and a take with that representation in my story…XD

    ANYWAY-! XDDDDDD

    I’m gonna need my next set of beta readers starting Nov 7, 2022 I think. But I a lot of people get inactive on SE when things get crazy and I’m gonna use a “email chapter by chapter updates as I write” system, so do you want to email me at fantasywriter2018@outlook.com now so I have your email, or see where things stand for you by November and hand me your email then if you still like the idea?

    Don't let the voices in your head drive you insane;only some of them can drive; most are underage

    #146408
    K. A. Grey
    @k-a-grey

    Oh my word, guys, I’m so sorry, I haven’t been on here for like a week!


    @winter_rose
    I think the prompt is fine, everyone was just busy. Yeah, maybe we can extend the deadline to Wednesday?  I still want to join if someone else does too.


    @this-is-not-an-alien
    I actually agree with a lot of what you said.

    So what I meant by role model is that I don’t think they should be held up as an “exemplary” model.  What I mean by that is that they aren’t heroes that we want to pattern our own lives after. For example, Jay Gatsby is an antihero. He’s basically a deceiving, bootlegging, adulterer but somehow we still find an emotional connection to the character. We know he’s doomed from the start but somehow we still want him to succeed and we feel sorry when the consequences of his actions lead to his destruction.  But we wouldn’t really say we want to <i>be </i>like him.  He’s a flawed character.  And that’s exactly what a flawed character portrays, is the flaws of human nature.  Now someone like Robin Hood is where I have some issues with.  He’s a thief, but hey, he’s a good thief! He only steals from the rich to give back to the poor! But does that really make stealing right?  Yeah, he dies in the end, but he dies a hero. We don’t really see the true consequences of his behavior or any remorse for wrongdoing; the law, which is portrayed as the “bad guys” was just “out to get him,” and he got unlucky. (I’m referring to the original book by the way, I haven’t watched any adaptions or anything😅).  As a kid, I loved the swashbuckling romance of Robin Hood. The cool archery and sword fighting, the cheekiness of Robin, the camaraderie of the merry men.  But what kind of message does it send?  Yeah, the characters are cool, but there isn’t much of a positive message except maybe friends stick together and it’s okay to steal as long as it’s not for yourself.

    So that was what I meant by “role model.” A good author makes the reader feel emotionally connected to the MC. But when a character is “morally ambiguous,” does it at least cause us to think about our own morals, or do we brush it off because we like the character enough to think it’s okay?  I definitely don’t think all characters should be squeaky clean to be a good “role model.” But do we view them as role models simply because they’re cool or different, or is there some underlying quality that makes us look up to them? If they’re flawed, do they portray an accurate representation of human nature, or are the flaws viewed as something to be emulated?

    You said here

    So, I don’t really think it’s so much that we wanna take so much care with representation or not want a queer character as a role mole as much as we don’t want to fall in love with a character and feel guilty about it because that character’s actions are condoned and they’re so fun and identifiable we hardly even want them to change. I think that’s what most people are against more.

    which might be a better way of saying what I said above, just phrased a little differently. I don’t really have a problem with a queer or morally ambiguous character, but I do have a problem with an author presenting sinful behavior as “okay,” for whatever reason.  I can love the person, the character, but when bad behavior is condoned or repeatedly shown to have no consequences, that’s where I start to have problems.

    I also like what you said here:

    With my characters I want there to be a clear distinction between action and identity; accepting who they are, not what they do about it. I want my queer characters to be very identifiable and loveable because who would you rather listen to: someone who demands you change and hold up to the same bar as everyone else or someone who says ‘I understand what you’re going through and that you can’t be like everyone else, I want you to be the best you you can be but don’t do this because this is better for you.’? I love how Jesus became Man and human in everything but sin and I want to give that kind of representation for queer people; not what not to do but what you can do and still be Christian, and why these things aren’t right.

     

    #146409
    K. A. Grey
    @k-a-grey

    @this-is-not-an-alien Also, I’ll save your email in my contacts. I don’t want to hand out my email right now because I don’t know how busy I’ll be in November, or if I’ll still be active on Story Embers, but I’m still interested right now.

    Also, do you have any book recommendations that represent queer characters from a Christian perspective? Or otherwise done tastefully? Most of the books I see recommended in my library, from the book summaries, seem focus more on “coming out” or on finding a relationship, which is why I’ve never picked them up, or even thought about how they can be represented in Christian fiction.

    #146412
    K. A. Grey
    @k-a-grey

    @this-is-not-an-alien Sorry to keep spamming this thread with my random thoughts.😂 but I just wanted to say this conversation has really made me think about this topic, and I’m still trying to sort out my thoughts about representing it in fiction. I’ve thought about more about the topic with how it pertains to real life, but not really how to present it in fiction. I found this article by a priest (im not Catholic, but I found his ideas thought-provoking) about some questions to ask oneself before writing queer characters: https://rcspirituality.org/ask_a_priest/ask-a-priest-is-it-ok-to-write-a-novel-with-gay-characters/

    I’d love to have your thoughts on it too!

    #146750
    Cathy
    @this-is-not-an-alien

    @k-a-grey

    Ok! Yeah, I totally get that, like condoning their character flaws is just ugh, but I love antiheros! Also…you read the Great Gatsby, oh honey I’m so sorry!!

    So that was what I meant by “role model.” A good author makes the reader feel emotionally connected to the MC. But when a character is “morally ambiguous,” does it at least cause us to think about our own morals, or do we brush it off because we like the character enough to think it’s okay?  I definitely don’t think all characters should be squeaky clean to be a good “role model.” But do we view them as role models simply because they’re cool or different, or is there some underlying quality that makes us look up to them? If they’re flawed, do they portray an accurate representation of human nature, or are the flaws viewed as something to be emulated?

    Bingo! Totally agree there

    Also, I’ll save your email in my contacts. I don’t want to hand out my email right now because I don’t know how busy I’ll be in November, or if I’ll still be active on Story Embers, but I’m still interested right now.

    Ok! That’s fair 😉

    Also, do you have any book recommendations that represent queer characters from a Christian perspective? Or otherwise done tastefully? Most of the books I see recommended in my library, from the book summaries, seem focus more on “coming out” or on finding a relationship, which is why I’ve never picked them up, or even thought about how they can be represented in Christian fiction.

    I really, really haven’t seen a lot of Christian books that do this and it kinda frustrates me but I get why they don’t. There is some homosexuality handled from a Christian perspective in the Shadow of the Bear series, especially the last book Waking Rose. In one of my favorite TV series, Person of Interest, they introduce an aromantic girl named Shaw in one of the later series and she was one of my absolute favorite characters and I loved her and there was another morally ambiguous character, Root, who was lesbian and had a fantastic slow-burn redemption arc and it was handled nicely and added subtly to her character while eliminating the fear of cheesy romance with her teammates in an action/adventure but then like they shipped her and Shaw in the last season and that was just…no. (Especially hurt my sister who’d been shipping Shaw with Detective Fasco for several seasons)

    The last season was still worth watching if you skip a couple episodes coz the ending episodes really hit their themes and the character arcs were just *Italian chief’s kiss* But anyway, Root was a lesbian character who was handled very tastefully up to the last season or two and one of the lead actors is Christian so even with so many morally ambiguous characters it had some very, very good themes and rose a lot of deep moral questions, plus shoot ’em up bang ’em up mystery-thriller! (dang I need to go back and rewatch it it was great!)

    But aside from that, really I’m fairly disappointed I haven’t seen a lot of Christian queer representation in media *sigh*

    Sorry to keep spamming this thread with my random thoughts.😂 but I just wanted to say this conversation has really made me think about this topic, and I’m still trying to sort out my thoughts about representing it in fiction. I’ve thought about more about the topic with how it pertains to real life, but not really how to present it in fiction. I found this article by a priest (im not Catholic, but I found his ideas thought-provoking) about some questions to ask oneself before writing queer characters: https://rcspirituality.org/ask_a_priest/ask-a-priest-is-it-ok-to-write-a-novel-with-gay-characters/

    Oh sweet! My little Catholic heart sings for joy!!

    Ok, I’m a little busy right now but I swear I’m gonna get back to you on this one, I just want to take the time to unpack what he’s got here and how I want to present my own characters and kinda break that down…please yell at me if I don’t get back to you by the 14th I really would love to discuss more 🙂

    Don't let the voices in your head drive you insane;only some of them can drive; most are underage

    #146808
    K. A. Grey
    @k-a-grey

    @this-is-not-an-alien Oh, cool! I didn’t know you were Catholic, so that’s perfect!😃

    Hmm, Shadow of the Bear. Sounds interesting, I’ll check it out,thanks!

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