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  • #134792
    Cathy
    @this-is-not-an-alien

    Oooh, this sounds like a really cool topic…even though it’s been dead for a year or so…🙁

    Is anybody still here?

    Don't let the voices in your head drive you insane;only some of them can drive; most are underage

    #134793
    Brian Stansell
    @obrian-of-the-surface-world

    I love the fact that you all are talking about these things.  It shows you do care about people caught up in real problems and real deceptions of the enemy.

    I do believe any approach to these subjects should be prayerfully done and in the full sobriety of the idea that “there, but for the grace of God, go I”.  We often do not know enough about the backstories of people caught up in these entanglements.  Some stem from abuse, unrelenting cruelty from those labeled among the Christian faith who turn others away from the love Jesus offers freely “while we were yet sinners”.  I would consider reading some Christian biographies of real people who were caught up in these sins but came to find deliverance from them by the rescue of Jesus’s love.

    Also, consider whatever God is placing on your heart to speak the truth in love into, maybe God calling you to “walk water” over such turbulent topics and focus on The One calling you to do so.  God equips those He calls, and it is almost always into the Big things others would avoid as being too controversial.  Just remember to honor Him and let Him love others right into their darkest moments, whatever the particular “stronghold” may be.

    God didn’t selectively choose which sins He wouldn’t die for, so with much prayerful consideration, I do think Christian writers should step out of the boat and say the people need to know He is their answer to the seeking that led these captives into the prison that now holds them.

    If they are truly brought to the place that they will hear (read), then you don’t need to shame them into repentance.  Just let them know they are wanted and loved. That God invested His own blood in their ransom.  That He knew and loved them before they ever went down this dark path. That there was nothing new that He could learn about their journey that He did not see before.

    All of our sins were future sins when Christ went to the Cross for us.  Confession is not telling God what we’ve done and where we’ve broken His laws. It is admitting it. God never gets “new” information on us that will change His mind.  He exists outside of time, and know the end from the beginning, yet He purposed to love us in spite of what our sins would require of Him. (Heb 12:2)

    Our redemption is His Joy.  If not us, my dear fellow believers, then who will tell them of this kind of love.

    Brian Stansell (aka O'Brian of the Surface World)
    I was born in war.
    Fighting from my first breath.

    #134820
    Brian Stansell
    @obrian-of-the-surface-world

    Amen!

    My WIP deals with several stronghold kingdoms representing some major philosophies that threaten the biblical worldview. (Philippians 2:5-7)

    Marxism – called Xarm [a brutal and power-seeking regime that must control]
    Capitalia – Materialism [live and let live, get stuff, serve yourself)
    Half-Men kingdom – Hedonism, Nature worship, Paganism, Pantheism (New Age, and mysticism)
    The Middle Kingdom (indigenous tribal fiefdoms) – Tradition

    Brian Stansell (aka O'Brian of the Surface World)
    I was born in war.
    Fighting from my first breath.

    #134833
    Cathy
    @this-is-not-an-alien

    Oh I’ve studied Marxism! (argument about blm don’t ask) and I’ve really had to look at New Age themes because they’re everywhere. Avatar the Last Airbender, Harry Potter (most of which I know more about second-hand so sry in advance if I’m wrong) most supernatural novels. The biggest thing is the subtly of the New Age themes, I’ve seen it hidden under “love and friendship” so so often. Instead of facing trauma it’s just a matter of “your past your lessons your reality” at the cost of objective morality and rules of nature. Subjective morality/reality is one of the most subvertive themes especially in child, teen and young adult fiction and it’s really hard to combat especially when it involves duress or traumatic pasts because it’s so identifiable and a guilty-want for everybody.

    We often do not know enough about the backstories of people caught up in these entanglements.  Some stem from abuse, unrelenting cruelty from those labeled among the Christian faith who turn others away from the love Jesus offers freely “while we were yet sinners”.  I would consider reading some Christian biographies of real people who were caught up in these sins but came to find deliverance from them by the rescue of Jesus’s love.

    That’s exactly right! I feel like the most undermining thing we can do in Faith is to judge or consider ourselves “lesser sinners” like there’s a category of sinner. And so often we disguise it as just avoiding this issue, and then it’s avoiding certain subjects around people and just deeper and deeper. I really want my novel to break down those walls, to show real true love, one of the biggest themes I’m working on right now is you don’t know someone’s backstory and you can’t excuse sin but you can’t judge the person for failing in a battle you didn’t even see.

    Are their any Christian biographies you know about struggling with LGBTQA? I’ve done a lot of studying but I’ll never know if I’ve done enough until it’s tested I guess. It’s been one of those (billions of) controversial topics I’ve been reconciling with my Catholicism since I was a little girl and it can get hard to discern between stereotypes and real facts with all sides shouting at each other.

    So I guess back to subjective morality, it’s such a difficult theme to combat because it’s so close to what we see love as and has so much apparent truth and compassion.

    If they are truly brought to the place that they will hear (read), then you don’t need to shame them into repentance.  Just let them know they are wanted and loved. That God invested His own blood in their ransom.  That He knew and loved them before they ever went down this dark path. That there was nothing new that He could learn about their journey that He did not see before.

    That says it so beautifully, that’s exactly what I want to show! It just doesn’t matter, no matter how dark how deep how sinful there’s absolutely nothing that can keep you from being healed if you just allow yourself to be loved. You said it so well and it’s such a deep truth we need to always keep in our hearts.

    Don't let the voices in your head drive you insane;only some of them can drive; most are underage

    #134838
    Brian Stansell
    @obrian-of-the-surface-world

    @this-is-not-an-alien

    Hi Cathy,

    Thank you for your kind words.

    I do have a particular loathing for Marx. His deceptive philosophy has led to extreme poverty and the slaughter of literally millions. Seeing it seducing our youth culture and indoctrinate college students greatly alarms me.

    My wife came from a Communist country, so we know firsthand where that pernicious philosophy leads. It is subtle, sounding like something good, using terms like “the greater good” and “benefiting the collective”, but it stifles the value of the individual and does not deal with the reality of human nature as the scriptures present it.  Man is not basically good.  Mankind’s most basic nature is corrupted by the outworking of original sin. Marx begins with a faulty premise, creating division and sowing seeds of class warfare and envy, under the guise of valuing the poor and downtrodden. It exploits them to its own end and uses their desires to have individual worth to imprison and enslaves them under an oligarch bureaucracy. It thrives on schisms, pitting the desire to succeed against the collective. It creates mediocrity and stifles human ingenuity.  Its application varies from culture to culture, but it does nothing but crush under its jackboot.
    Okay, enough about that.
    One thing many people so often miss is the subtleness of Satan’s slight shifts. He doesn’t come out in a red suit or with a burn= scarred face with hand blades or a hockey mask and a machete. He comes in as if he is a concerned friend, and he whispers his lures sweetly to sway and confused and question God’s truth, the same as he did in the form of a serpent in the Garden of Eden.

    New Age is subtle as well. If often lures people who have very little self-esteem and do not know that God loves them specifically. It lures in with the temptation to be able to control or manipulate and work vengeful charms against an oppressor. It too is a false search for relief that leads to spiritual entanglements with deceiving spirits. No power is lent to a practitioner without extracting a terrible price.

    People’s need for significance can only be found in relationship with their Creator, and nothing else.

    Psalms 139:13-17 says it beautifully how much God invests Himself in our making.

    How precious are your thoughts about me, O God. They cannot be numbered! [Psalm 139:17 NLT]

    I view the LGBTQA community as people undergoing an identity crisis. I find that most are not merely content with their private practice that binds them and isolates them. They feel compelled to force society at large to recognize and give legitimacy to their desire. In fact, they cannot allow a difference of viewpoint in regard to their practices. They revile anyone who does not acquiesce to their demand to be legitimized, so they cast labels at others with the charge of phobia.

    How many liars do you ever see who proudly identify with their sin? How many thieves publicly parade and declare their thefts? How many adulterers proudly shout about how many marriages they have compromised, and want national recognition for their betrayal?

    Since practitioners of these unbiblical behaviors go further than most, it is difficult to address them when they cease to identify themselves as a person God loves, but rather a type of person so wedded to a practice that they cannot imagine themselves as being independent of it. Satan has deceived them into believing if somehow, they can get everyone to belief they are “good people” just wanting their own way to love, then somehow all will be settled in their disquieted heart.

    That is one of the particular reasons it is difficult to reach the LGBTQA community. They have deceived themselves into believing that their sin IS their identity. God will not force them to choose Him. But to do so, they must be willing to find their new identity in Him and leave the old husk of deadness behind.

    One thing that is consistent in cultism and LGBTQA is a promised sense of community. That promise is in Communism (Marxism too), but these things cannot balance collective good and individual good like God can.

    God does something that none of the worldly lures can do. He makes us family and valuable and unique parts of one body that needs all of us.

    5 so it is with Christ’s body. We are many parts of one body, and we all belong to each other. [Romans 12:5 NLT]

    12 The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. So it is with the body of Christ. [1 Corinthians 12:12 NLT]

    Both of these passages (and their contextual verses) show how God balances individual worth and collective worth without diminishing either.

    God does not diminish Himself or His Standards to human whims or opinions, but rather He satisfies His standard by giving Himself to meet the perfection He must demand to be a Good and Perfect Father.  It is by relationship with Him and His empowerment that we are lifted up in Him to be fully justified.

    I believe there is only One Truth and that must be defined by God.

    Romans 3:4 says:

    “…[]…Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: “That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged.”

    Man cannot define his own good apart from God. But he can find justifiable good if he aligns with God’s consistent definitions of it as revealed in the person of Jesus and through His Word.

    Reality and morality that is subjected to the vicissitudes of human perspective always turns out to be evil in the end.

    Sometimes we must be willing to offend without being unloving.

    Jesus said we would be hated because we represent the exposing light that reveals the wickedness of mankind’s hearts who love evil. That is to be expected.

    We just need to be able to reach those lost in the darkness that have reached the point where they long for the light that will lead them out of it into family that loves them and not the sin that has enslaved them.

     

    Brian Stansell (aka O'Brian of the Surface World)
    I was born in war.
    Fighting from my first breath.

    #134847
    Cathy
    @this-is-not-an-alien

    Hi Mr Brian! Thank you for replying!

    Marxism truly is a Satanic lie, the very core of their beliefs reject the possibility of religion or morality by negating individuality and personal responsibility. The most communist countries are the poorest and most enslaved, it must’ve been so awful for your wife I’m so sorry.
    Every bit of it is just…Satanic. I could get into the arguments of how it destroys economy and morale and everything but it just doesn’t even come close to the utter disregard for life communism fosters. If everyone is forced to be “equal” in skills, personality, possessions then nobody cares about individual lives and people aren’t considered people anymore; just “us” and “them”.

    New Age is subtle as well. If often lures people who have very little self-esteem and do not know that God loves them specifically. It lures in with the temptation to be able to control or manipulate and work vengeful charms against an oppressor. It too is a false search for relief that leads to spiritual entanglements with deceiving spirits. No power is lent to a practitioner without extracting a terrible price. People’s need for significance can only be found in relationship with their Creator, and nothing else. Psalms 139:13-17 says it beautifully how much God invests Himself in our making. How precious are your thoughts about me, O God. They cannot be numbered! [Psalm 139:17 NLT]

    Yes! Not even in cases of demonic possessions is the devil so blatant so constantly. At least not in the beginning. It always starts with a little doubt and a feeling of a concerned friends, then confusion and isolation then fear and powerlessness that destroys all logical thought.

    I agree about New Age it’s a wretched, subtle lie attempting to imitate God without Love. And He always reaches out to us, giving us as much as He could possibly give us without corrupting our character. He only takes when it would destroy us.

    I view the LGBTQA community as people undergoing an identity crisis. I find that most are not merely content with their private practice that binds them and isolates them. They feel compelled to force society at large to recognize and give legitimacy to their desire.

    I can’t agree with that, entirely. I’ve had personal experience with LGBTQA and it’s not an identity crisis. For some absolutely, but I can’t blanket diagnose that. I was talking to someone once and she was telling me she read this that helped her; That men and women were like stained glass. There was male stained glass and female stained glass and the light shown through both of them. But sometimes, the female stained glass was the same color as the male and seemed to shine that light. In the end it’s female stained glass, but simply different.
    To dress drag or pretend marriage with someone of the same sex is to lie. But it’s not any less real what they’re going through, I think it’s a lot of it is a difference in processing love of others and love of self from how “most people” (like seriously who’s “most people” anybody who fits the “most people” criteria raise your hand XD). Like, for instance, in Autism, people on the Autistic Spectrum just don’t respond well to touch and don’t…whatever most people feel about sex and romance.
    There are people who choose LGBTQA usually as a result of misprocessing abuse but a lot of people are just born “different” like some people are born ADHD, ENFP, heterosexual etc. Some differences I’ve researched are:
    1. Trans can also be called gender dysphoria and when you look in the mirror you see yourself, right? But when someone with gender dysphoria looks in the mirror it’s not, it just doesn’t connect like how people with C-PTSD/PTSD dissociate and it feels almost like an out-of-body experience watching trauma over and over or just numbing out of your body. Like how people with multiple personality disorder seem to have two or more “personalities” in them, if it’s severe enough Personality A can’t remember what Personality B did. So to call it simply an identity crisis seems to just completely undermine that person’s struggle like calling a migraine a small headache. But I mean it’s not well known information, most Christians and Catholics don’t really research something that’s clearly wrong to act on. When someone struggles with trans they very often have a bodily sensation as if their body rejects their masculine/feminine parts leaving them with a hyperawareness of this part of them that simply won’t reconcile with the rest of their person.
    An interesting this though, chimeras–if I remember the name right–are people who are twins in the womb but absorbed their twin’s egg/DNA. Some gender confusion might be a result of a girl having her brother’s DNA or the reverse.
    But what’s truly sick is the surgery to change physical appearance of gender. It’s incredibly unstable, they insert masculine or feminine hormones with little or no prior conditioning and the suicide rate exponentially increases as a result. And half hormonal instability is fluctuation and that “fluctuation” is nothing to–not changing but adding–hormones so you have male hormones and female hormones at the same time with no preparation.
    Ahem, um, anyway–XD
    2. Homosexuality is experiencing heterosexual attraction but for someone of the same sex. Idk how heterosexuality really works so that might be a bad comparison actually XD. This seems to be a connectivity disorder making it difficult to near impossible to relate romantically to the opposite sex. In a healthy relationship romance is involved with a “sibling–lover” dynamic so that one connects with the other person deeply as a person then romantically as someone they invest in as other and as part of them.
    For lesbian women–from what I’ve read–relationships begin with that deep friendship and develop into an intense romance, leaving them prone to jealously guarding each other. This appears to be a disorder in processing attraction. Intense love is equated with romantic love and a sense of attraction is often linked to the physical as well. For instance I have pretty mild sensory cross-over where I “see” noises (I like music with black backgrounds and most notes are blue (: ) and “hear/see” smells, personalities, etc (pointy water tastes better than round water). The brain links kinda crossed over so I process sensory information a little differently, I imagine that’s how homosexual attraction works in most cases; the romantic crosses into platonic attraction off-wire from heterosexual attraction.
    For gay men the “sibling–lover” dynamic is usually flipped–at least from what I’ve heard–so the theory is gay men are more likely to be attracted to physical features or personalities very different from their own and develop romantic attraction before platonic. This leads gay men to be more likely to be promiscuous and many involve minors which is what happened in the Catholic Church scandal which is why some hundred or so years ago the Church said priests weren’t supposed to really be ordained if they experienced strong homosexual attractions because people are more vulnerable to religion members in authority. I think it’s more a discipline than a “hard rule” similar to priest celibacy; there are licit exceptions but few and far between. Although it’s not common knowledge, the Catholic Church has established a support group primarily for people with same-sex attraction called Courage (“the courage to be chaste”)
    But also really I’ve heard a lot of information that suggests that like a pretty high ratio in the gay community compared to the overall population in America are just the absolutely sweetest guys you could ever meet, so it seems to me there’s a lot of a predatory/vulnerable dynamic in the gay community.
    3. Bisexual and asexual used to be covered under the same label but now are placed on different spectrums. I don’t know a lot about bisexuality at all so I can’t really cover it except to say it’s a processing disorder that crosses over romantic/platonic. Asexuality though is a rather controversial label even in the LGBTQA community. It’s just no physical romantic attraction and a lot of Autistic people/people with textile processing diversity have this. “Most people” want to hold hands and kiss their significant other but asexuality experiences a “crush/attraction” as I think it’s called a “squish”; wanting desperately to connect with that person, talk, spend time with that person, even live with that person without any sexual touch. Some people who identify as asexual eventually do develop sexual attraction to a very significant other while others can be married for years and just not. It doesn’t mean they don’t want touch or aren’t cool with marital sex and all, but there’s not sexual temptation/urge at any stage in the relationship. It’s not the same as aromantic which simply doesn’t experience the “gooshy stuff” and have a rather practical approach to love/expressing love.
    4. The LGBTQA community is more high risk to both internal and external physical/psychological abuse than most groups and is far more likely to carry deep internalized shame due to the sheer political/social abuse, manipulation and taboo surrounding it. Since it is not categorized as a disorder or neurodivergent like ADHD, Autism, schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder so it’s not validated in Catholic or Christian circles and LGBTQA is vested in convincing people who struggle with this that it’s totally ok. So people with a LGBTQA cross experience hell and get hell for it and seem to be forced between complete denial with is itself a lie and completely embracing it with is also a lie but one lie feels nicer than the other and most haven’t been told there’s another option; accept it as something you’re going through and love God.
    5. On that topic, LGBTQA can result from abuse. For instance, people who are touch-starved are very sensitive/responsive to touch and it’ll show. Similarly people who have been starved for love are very likely to become very sensitive/responsive to any form of affection/love without a good way to interpret, process or confine it to the romantic/platonic. Some people also respond to trauma by repeatedly exposing themselves to triggers to desensitize so people who have been raped often respond by becoming very sexually active.
    Gender stereotyping can really affect a person too like if someone is convinced X, Y and Z “gender traits” must be present in a “good girl/boy” if the person doesn’t identify with those traits they might not date someone with those traits but if they’re convinced a member of one gender who doesn’t have those traits is intrinsically “wrong” or “unnatural” homosexuality becomes a more plausible alternative. And further if someone doesn’t identify with “gender traits” in one’s own gender and aren’t allowed the same level of freedom the other gender seems to have this can cause gender dysphoria as well.
    So it involves abuse and can be a result of abuse as much as it can be an inborn processing disconnect/brain cross-over.
    *um, so that was excessive. If you actually read all that you’re an absolute unfathomably patient angel XD*
    But it’s all true what you said, it’s a lie, it’s not healthy, it destroys man to give in to this and there’s no lowering the standard or lying to yourself to change it. And a lot of the community of LGBTQA is absolutely a strand of Marxist belief portraying them as an “underclass against society”. I just don’t think it’s just an identity crisis I think it’s a medical condition. I hope I didn’t make you angry going on a tangent like that *hugs you and squeezes until you promise to forgive me*

    Don't let the voices in your head drive you insane;only some of them can drive; most are underage

    #134852
    Brian Stansell
    @obrian-of-the-surface-world

    @this-is-not-an-alien

    Hi Cathy,

    I did in fact read all of your post. You are very astute in your observations and study and are well researched.  I do agree there is a medical aspect to it, and that even the brain’s surface reshapes according to our propensities, habit, and behavioral choices.

    The most baseline point is all humankind is born under the curse of Adam, and death has its many and unique and person-specific ways of working through our physical bodies and the mental image of ourselves.  The temptations and tastes and lures that draw our personhood further into separation from Christ and His Holy standards are also known by our soul’s enemy and his legions of darkness.

    The temptation to find strange attraction may be one person’s particular lure, for some it might be a food addiction, for others, it might be seeking occult-like power.  Whatever the reasons for these lures, God’s Holy standard does not change and He promises to make a way of escape. In 1 Corinthians 10, the Apostle Paul, writing under the anointing of God’s Spirit, starts with a warning of humility (vs 12), and then a promise (vs 13), and then a charge to respond (vs 14).

    12 So, whoever thinks he stands must be careful not to fall. 13 No temptation has come upon you except what is common to humanity. But God is faithful; he will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation he will also provide a way out so that you may be able to bear it. 14 So then, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. [1 Corinthians 10:12-14 CSB]

    The problem too many struggling with temptation find is they think they can resist their particular temptation by their own effort and willpower alone.

    James gives us the most basic 3 part formula for success in this:

    7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. [James 4:7 KJV]

    1. Submission to God’s ability and authority is the primary step. How that is done is making Him your primary relationship that is so important that we let no other relationships compare to it. (Seek first the Kingdom, requires knowing Who The King is.) Without this vital first step, the other ones become impossible.  The tempters whispering the enticements do not want to get anywhere near The One who defeats him, so the closer in daily and deliberate fellowship anyone is with Him to less likely they are to “want to” run after other distractions that hinder that relationship.  As the scripture affirms our identity is in Christ.  Knowing Him also requires a studied knowledge and treasuring of His Word.  Remember what the Psalmist said:

    10 With my whole heart I have sought You; Oh, let me not wander from Your commandments! 11 Your word I have hidden in my heart, That I might not sin against You. [Psalm 119:10-11 NKJV]

    James also provides us with a succinct definition of what it is “to sin”:

    17 Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it. [James 4:17 NLT]

    God writes upon the innate consciousness of mankind what is “naturally” right.

    15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right. [Romans 2:15 NLT]

    But it is not merely hearing The Word, but also yielding to Him in obedience to what His commands imply for our life and the circumstance of temptation that we find ourselves in.

    2. Once knowledge of God’s position is internalized, and we yield to His power to overcome the temptation, we realize we have been granted His authority to act upon God’s desires. That emboldens us to be able to do the second part, which is to “Resist the Devil” with God’s full backing and capacity to turn that tempter and its sensual bait away.

    3. The third part is “to watch” what happens, and learn that this is something beyond what was thought possible.  This is the takeaway knowledge that gives us the confidence that even the gates of Hell cannot stand against us.  This is the freedom we Christians are to proclaim to “the captives”.  That there is a remedy for their enslavement.  Jesus makes that possible.

    Deep down, if they have not completely doubled-down in their heart*, they know that whatever temptation they pursue is harming them and isolating them from the need that truly satisfies their human longing.

    * There are some who have so refused Jesus that at some point God gives them over to their reprobate mind and solidifies them in their demand to be separate from Him. (See Romans 1:28-32)

    Thank you for your reply and thoughtful consideration.

    I know there are particular and unique strongholds that the enemy establishes in the human heart. My particular temptations may not be the same as yours, and those trapped in the LGBTQA lifestyle are suffering under theirs.

    But I know our God loves them. That His redemption is offered to them if they can come to trust Him to bring them out of that entrapment.

    4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) [2 Corinthians 10:4 KJV]

    I know we are charged to love and pray for them, and that each of us has a unique ministry to reach those whom God has placed upon our hearts to seek out with His message placed within us.

    So I encourage you to minister to them with your gifts and talents. Let God give you His voice to speak into their need.  He equips those He calls.  Don’t let the “bigness” of the task distract you from the “obedience to follow” God’s leading.

    Remember the 3 parts:

    1. Submit

    2. Resist

    3. Watch

    Now go to it, my dear sister. Challenge the darkness. God loves them every bit as much as you do.

    Brian Stansell (aka O'Brian of the Surface World)
    I was born in war.
    Fighting from my first breath.

    #134870
    Cathy
    @this-is-not-an-alien

    Thank you so much for your instruction and encouragement! <3
    Humility is necessary for any change, yes, it’s His Compass toward the Truth. So often we just take the word to mean hiding but that’s more often insecurity. I guess humility is the willingness to change in authentic search of truth, and respecting another’s personhood the way God respects our wills like St. Thomas Aquinas said “love is willing the good of another as other.” This requires submitting to love instead of self love. I guess the devil uses fear to make people focus on their own troubles and dissolve into self-concern to the point of losing concern for others.

    17 Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it. [James 4:17 NLT] God writes upon the innate consciousness of mankind what is “naturally” right. 15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right. [Romans 2:15 NLT] But it is not merely hearing The Word, but also yielding to Him in obedience to what His commands imply for our life and the circumstance of temptation that we find ourselves in.

    He protects us so much with that definition there, it supersedes legality and places the focus on what the goal is; to do good for love of good. You picked some of the most beautiful verses, thank you.
    Then resistance which requires love of God to be greater than love of self. He always tests us to draw us to greater love and pull us out of ourselves. He even lets us share His Pain sometimes and He’s so beautiful.
    And watching that’s the scariest and most beautifulest part to me I never would’ve believed I’d be here today at all. If I’d known everything my life would be filled with I probably would’ve died with terror at the “Bigness” of everything He guides me through. I guess that’s why He keeps His “secrets” so we’ll be able to endure the incredible joy He stores for us.

    I know there are particular and unique strongholds that the enemy establishes in the human heart. My particular temptations may not be the same as yours, and those trapped in the LGBTQA lifestyle are suffering under theirs. But I know our God loves them. That His redemption is offered to them if they can come to trust Him to bring them out of that entrapment.

    Yes, the only thing that can keep them away is not understanding the deepest extent of Papa’s Love. If we could just see it we probably wouldn’t have a choice being so overwhelmed with His Kindness, which I guess is why He hides Himself some so we truly choose to love.
    I know I used to struggle with New Age ideas and thinking and He drew me out of it before I could hurt myself and I think the only thing that saved me was I didn’t know any better and I believed God wouldn’t let me hurt myself if I trusted Him and meant well. That experience really ripped some self-delusions and pride out of me and He was so merciful and kind He loves me more than I could ever love myself.

    I know we are charged to love and pray for them, and that each of us has a unique ministry to reach those whom God has placed upon our hearts to seek out with His message placed within us. So I encourage you to minister to them with your gifts and talents. Let God give you His voice to speak into their need.  He equips those He calls.  Don’t let the “bigness” of the task distract you from the “obedience to follow” God’s leading. Remember the 3 parts: 1. Submit 2. Resist 3. Watch

    Yes, thank you big brother for laying out clear steps and reminders of His Plan and His Mercy. I know I’m a very impatient person and I wanna minister as soon as I can so I can die and get to Him but I guess a large task like this will force me to stay alive long enough I’ll need patience to stay sane lol. I’ll guard those three parts with my life if He lets me I promise!

    God loves them every bit as much as you do.

    Oh no! He loves them so much more He knows them much better than me and I can only love second-hand from His Love <3
    Oh! I know some people who might be interest in these topics! @kimlikesart @rose-colored-fancy @hannahrenner @rustedknight.

    Don't let the voices in your head drive you insane;only some of them can drive; most are underage

    #134875
    Brian Stansell
    @obrian-of-the-surface-world

    @this-is-not-an-alien

    Amen, my sister.
    Now, I’m off to the Villain Castle to introduce one of my characters there.

    It is with a firm grip on God’s Truth and Light that I can walk into the darkness and not be overcome by the fearsome things that await missteps there.

    But it is not might that prevails there in the shadow…

    It is the simple fact that even in the darkness, I can feel the tug to move forward through it, by The Hand of Our Father that holds mine and leads us, not around the stygian valley, but through it, into His Marvelous Light.

    I have a unique origin story in my WIP for a creature that lurked in the earlier of Greco-Roman mythologies of our present world.  He is called “The Pan”, and legends and lies have sprung up in ancient Surface World stories around this cursed half-man/half-beast creature.  In my tale, he once had a human name, before the ram he mocked the sacrifice to the Most High with, became half of what he is now.  [No, he is not “The Devil,” but he most certainly is in league with that ancient Accuser who knows his leash is short and his reckoning is soon to come.]

    May you have a blessed evening and may you celebrate your father along with Our Heavenly One that has no end to His Perfect Love.

    God Bless!

    Brian Stansell (aka O'Brian of the Surface World)
    I was born in war.
    Fighting from my first breath.

    #134881
    Kimmi
    @kimlikesart

    *reads over first post/what started the thread*

    Very interesting.

    But what about the more difficult themes? Topics like any or all of LGBTQA. Human rights. Human trafficking. Race relations. Other religions (Muslim, Hindu, etc).

    Thoughts on why these topics are not written about as much? (So far as fiction goes.)

    Maybe writers feel these topics are too far above them. Perhaps they are scared of the research they may have to do, into any of these things, and what they may find. It likely will be heart-breaking.
    Maybe they do not know where to go to do the research. Perhaps they are scared they will not write it accurately. Or perhaps they are scared to offend their readers, and loose future sales. Maybe a combination.

    That said, I believe it is very important that we write about these sort of things with integrity, trying to show the true story. Even if it’s dark as night. But there is hope, for in any of these things, </3 though it may be very hard to see.

    Not everyone should write about these topics. Learning how to write humbly, but also not shrinking on what is right, can be hard. It will take prayer, and… love.

    So… if people, or writers, are willing to learn, go through pain, and then write pain, but also hope and love, they really should do so. Keeping their eyes on Jesus, and pressing more and more into Him. <3

    And perhaps finding someone else who is willing to talk with them about it, though I get that can be hard.

    It’s admirable, if they do it right. But it can be… awful, and worsen things if they do it wrong. So… care, prayer, and love should lace it all.

    Let all that you do be done in love. 1 Corinthians 16:14 (ESV)

    But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. James 3:17 (ESV)

    ______________


    @this-is-not-an-alien

    Thank you for the tag Cathy. <3

    I’m actually writing… a small bit, about sexual trafficking right now. At least… it’s the inciting event. </3 Very hard.

    Jominkreesa

    Passion = A Willingness To Suffer

    #134882
    Brian Stansell
    @obrian-of-the-surface-world

    @kimlikesart


    @this-is-not-an-alien


    @hannahrenner

    Thank you for your comments, Kimmi. I agree. These are tough topics and should be approached with much prayer, but if the Lord is drawing a Christian writer, anchored in the Word and an active and daily personal relationship pursuit of Jesus one might consider the words of the Lord through the prophet Samuel to Saul in 1 Samuel 15:22.

    It may sound trite to say, but “If the Spirit leads you to it, He will walk you through it.”  God does call us into scary and uncomfortable places so that we feel the even greater need to rely on Him more.

    There is a love of a person and their ultimate freedom that is deeper than just the desire not to offend. Sometimes we should be willing to offend when the truth is pursued. Because one writes a gently delivered truth that most certainly will make many uncomfortable in their pursuit of the darkness that beckons them to lose themselves in it.  But silence, when the Spirit urges us to speak, can be the worse causing actual harm, rather than perception harm.

    I have yet to read in Scripture where God councils us to be timid when He calls for obedience. To leave the outcome to Him.  That said, I do not expect a new Christian, until they have grown into a mature walk with the Lord and gained a greater understanding of God’s Word, to lead into these areas.  It does take a more mature faith and a loving sensitivity to the Spirit of the Lord in what to write or say to them.  But if God leads, do it. Don’t look to disqualify yourself or make excuses, follow The One in His Love Path to reach them.

    Jesus admonished His disciples that they could expect to offend the worldly who do not want to hear the Message of Hope or have anything to do with Him. (See Matt. 5:11 & Luke 6:22).

    The “Church” (i.e. the “Body of Christ”) has been too silent in public, way too long.

    The truth will offend. That is an indisputable fact in this world of darkness we live in.

    The key is our attitude in our “delivery” of truth messages.  If in my heart, I truly love the hearer, I cannot silently watch their personal destruction and never offer them the Hope that is Jesus.  I would then be like to wicked watchman in Ezekiel 3:17-20.

    Kimmi wrote:

    Perhaps they are scared they will not write it accurately. Or perhaps they are scared to offend their readers and lose future sales. Maybe a combination.

    I am not saying you hold this belief, but since you mentioned it, I know many writers want to “be successful”, but that should not be a primary focus for a Faith writer, because it can become an impediment to obedience to what God is calling them to do.

    God raises kings and tears them down. He owns the cattle on a thousand hills, and He will make prosper the one who follows Him faithfully in obedience.  Fear should never be an impediment to obedience, for in surrendering our gifts, our lives, and our tenuous hold on what others might think of us, we gain liberty and empowerment from the connection to The Vine, and He causes us to flourish and bear much fruit.

    Ridicule and labels and persecution most certainly will come at those who take bold stands for Christ.  After all, we do have an enemy with his own powers and principalities and rulers of darkness.  But we are overcomers! Greater is He that is in us than “he” that is in the world.

    Maturity and growth come in the testing of our faith, the same way resistance builds and tears muscle fibers to make a person lifting or exercising stronger and more fit.

    If God has placed a burden on a person’s heart for LGBTQA then they can trust Him to equip them to deliver the message of Hope they need through the instrument He qualifies.

    We have no fear of giving offense if we abide in Christ and follow His voice to do it.  We have no fear of having our writing banned because we know who The Lord of the Harvest is, and His promises to us are sure.

    25 I was young and now I am old, yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken or their children begging bread. [Psalm 37:25 NIV]

    We only have One to please and He died for us, and it is not displeasure with us that happens when we still disobey, but a distance in our fellowship with Him. He never leaves us or forsakes us, but we often can and do distance ourselves from His love and empowerment, while he awaits us to come back into awareness of our constant need for Him.

    I personally know, at the onset that my writing will offend. I do not have pleasure in other’s displeasure, but more so, take my primal pleasure in standing in fellowship with Jesus by never compromising the Truth.

    James 4:4 does not let me embrace friendship with the world over Him.

    4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. [James 4:4 NIV]

    Brian Stansell (aka O'Brian of the Surface World)
    I was born in war.
    Fighting from my first breath.

    #134906
    Kimmi
    @kimlikesart

    @obrian-of-the-surface-world

    but if the Lord is drawing a Christian writer, anchored in the Word and an active and daily personal relationship pursuit of Jesus one might consider the words of the Lord through the prophet Samuel to Saul in 1 Samuel 15:22.

    -everything said through-

    The key is our attitude in our “delivery” of truth messages.  If in my heart, I truly love the hearer, I cannot silently watch their personal destruction and never offer them the Hope that is Jesus.  I would then be like to wicked watchman in Ezekiel 3:17-20.

    True. Very true. <3

    Ack! What genres, and types of things, do you write sir?

    I thought of that in Ezekiel while reading what you wrote.

     

    I am not saying you hold this belief —— I know many writers want to “be successful”, but that should not be a primary focus for a Faith writer, because it can become an impediment to obedience to what God is calling them to do.

    No, I do not.

    *nods* It can.

    I’ve given thought to how what I’m writing could get me in trouble someday. But I do not regret it. My parents are a bit wary, about what I’m writing, because of that. But… I do not regret it.

    I pray over all my writing, that God will help me say what He wants me to. That the stories or articles will serve Him, that they will make people think, and hopefully do something. That they will change whoever reads them, leave them with a choice…

    Ridicule and labels and persecution most certainly will come at those who take bold stands for Christ.  After all, we do have an enemy with his own powers and principalities and rulers of darkness.  But we are overcomers! Greater is He that is in us than “he” that is in the world.
    Maturity and growth come in the testing of our faith, the same way resistance builds and tears muscle fibers to make a person lifting or exercising stronger and more fit.

    Very true. Anyone who wishes to live a Godly life in Christ will suffer persecution.

    Your speech is bold and passionate.

    Why do you choose to follow Jesus?

    If God has placed a burden on a person’s heart for LGBTQA then they can trust Him to equip them to deliver the message of Hope they need through the instrument He qualifies.

    True…

    I personally know, at the onset that my writing will offend. I do not have pleasure in other’s displeasure, but more so, take my primal pleasure in standing in fellowship with Jesus by never compromising the Truth. ——
    4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. [James 4:4 NIV]

    Thank you for taking God’s call.

    Jominkreesa

    Passion = A Willingness To Suffer

    #134912
    Neasa
    @irishcelticredflowercrown

    @obrian-of-the-surface-world

    My wife came from a Communist country, so we know firsthand where that pernicious philosophy leads

    My family too fled a Communist nation, all they had was a fake telegram to get them over the border. It’s only by the grace of God that they succeeded, otherwise I would have never existed. My story makes a jab at Communism and Fascism, the government in it promotes ‘equality’ and ‘fairness’ and ‘peace for all’, all the while censoring media and promoting themselves as living gods to be worshipped.


    @this-is-not-an-alien

    Marxism truly is a Satanic lie, the very core of their beliefs reject the possibility of religion or morality by negating individuality and personal responsibility.

    Totally agree, it literally breaks my heart seeing it get promoted everywhere. A family member (who by the way is alive because their family escaped Communism) once said to me ‘Gosh you know what Neasa! There’s no such thing as Communists anymore! They’re all GONE!’

    Umm then what are China, North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba then HMMM? And what are People Before Profit aka the party of young Irish wannabe Socialists whinging about people owning their own houses and land, while at the same time living, thriving and surviving because of the free market and capitalism??? Jeepers I just can’t with people sometimes :'(

    #134913
    Brian Stansell
    @obrian-of-the-surface-world

    @irishcelticredflowercrown


    @this-is-not-an-alien


    @kimlikesart


    @hannahrenner

    Adding in Daeus and Josiah, because they might enjoy this topic too. 🙂


    @daeus-lamb


    @josiah

    Hi Neasa!

    My wife immigrated from Russia and was a translator for Christian missionaries when she was in Russia.  She came over to work as a Translator for International Christian Institute (ICI) formerly located in Irving, TX.  She is now a successful corporate lawyer with a brilliant mind and graduated Summa Cum Laude with honors from her law school.  Her talents and gifts would never have been realized had she stayed in Russia, even after the supposed fall of “Communism”.  It still lurks there and is very much in power, no matter what they say.

    I met her when my female cousin brought her to our annual Thanksgiving family gathering.  I was in Grad school at the time.  She was in the States on an R-1 Visa when I met her. We’ve been married now for 21 years.  The conditions were not as dire in Russia as in many other countries, because the Communist wanted to present their form of Govt as an appealing ideology to other countries, in competition with “western democracies”.  It is subtle in that it relegates all faith into superstitious corridors, that it constantly kept tabs on and infiltrated whenever necessary.  Media was state controlled and filtered.  If anyone wanted to progress in their job or obtain any leadership position they had to become a member of The Communist Party.

    Individual achievement was squelched if it did not acquiesce to “The State”.  Oligarchs got rich, while “the proletariat” subsisted and were kept in mediocrity.

    Property ownership was permitted only in limit areas.  The Government ran the universities and all large companies and made products based on their decisions, rather than the needs, wants or dictates of the market.

    Yet they were a very outwardly moral society. A wife of a Communist could appeal to “The Party” office and get her husband’s Communist card restricted if he was ever unfaithful to her.  Movies and TV shows were regulated and “sanitized” by “State Censors”.  Certain books were banned.

    The Kremlin tended to make its antagonists mysteriously disappear, if ever there were signs that they could not “control” them.  Elections always “conveniently” re-installed the Communist candidates and incumbents to bureaucratic power.

    You are exactly right in your statement that:

    “…the government in it promotes ‘equality’ and ‘fairness’ and ‘peace for all’, all the while censoring media and promoting themselves as living gods to be worshipped.”

    These are seemingly “good things” meant to lure people into the trap of thinking the “Power seekers” only want to get control to serve “the public good”.  When people yield their individual freedoms to these “unchecked” power mongers only then do their “true intentions” manifest.

    Equality is not something given by man.  Even as Our US Constitution says, it is “God who creates all men to be equal” not in the sense that all individualism is pushed down to the level of the masses, but that all are equally loved and that He is no respecter of persons or positions. (Acts 10:34-35)

    Equality in the abstract does not make sense or even comport with a God who gives “Rewards” for those who do not just give mediocre lip-service to “serving Him”.  God incentivizes our faithfulness and our yielding to Him.  Unequal obedience is not rewarded equally.

    Praiseworthy acts should find encouragement and reward.  Evil and laziness and mediocrity also should find their consequences as a deterrent for continuing in them.

    Russia did suffer under the abuses of the Romanov monarchy, but what they replaced it with, in the Bolshevik Revolution, was far more insidious and deceitful under the guise of “helping the poor Proletariats”.

    Capitalism is one of the few Market principles that agrees with God’s Word about the self-interest of mankind, and it works towards a mutual and commercial agreement where the buy and seller both get to terms where both get mostly what they wanted from their transfer of goods and coinage.  It is not a perfect system, mind you, but it at least deals honestly with the needs of supply and demand towards the mutual benefit and incentivizes that relationship.  That is the basis of a Free Market, with some reasonable and necessary regulations by a hopefully “objective & unbiased” third-party to prevent the skewing of the balance of the two interests involved.  Human nature is not “basically good” as Marx purports, but it does need to be looked after suspiciously, because God says,

    9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, [and] according to the fruit of his doings. [Jeremiah 17:9-10 KJV]

    In our flesh, we do tend to be little stinkers. 😉

    I wish more people read more of George Orwell’s books today. “Animal Farm”, “1984”, etc.

    Here is a very succinct explanation of prominent government philosophies that I always thought was both humorous and helpful:

    Cows and Communism

    Brian Stansell (aka O'Brian of the Surface World)
    I was born in war.
    Fighting from my first breath.

    #134917
    Bethany
    @sparrowhawke

    ‘kay, I haven’t read all  the recent posts here, but I’m glad this conversation got started again! I especially appreciate @this-is-not-an-alien ‘s thoughts on LGBTQA. I think I heard that the APA used to classify homosexuality as a mental illness or disorder, but I’ve never heard anyone talk about it like you (Cathy) before. You seem to have some great insights. Do you have any resources you could share that have led you to those  conclusions?

    I don’t see any moral issue with asexuality, as long as you don’t desire a romantic partner of the same sex. I’ve heard Christians point to the verse in Matthew about some eunuchs being born eunuchs to justify asexuality. I personally think the verse is more in reference to people who are infertile, but it’s an interesting thought. Marriages for most of history have been based not on sexual attraction anyway (of course nobility would often have outside affairs, but that’s a different issue…)

    I really do want to touch on LGBT in my writing. So many Christians are so hateful toward these people. I want to give a balanced, loving but true perspective. When I think about my own tendencies, I am convinced that had I not grown up in a Christian home, I would be declaring myself trans or genderfluid. I don’t suffer from gender dysphoria, but right now in our culture, queerness is trendy and I believe many teens and young adults have jumped on LGBT’s trendiness. It’s cool. There’s the attraction to declare your own identity. And don’t all we humans want to declare our identity apart from God?

    "Can't have dirty garbage."

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