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    Eden Anderson
    @eden-anderson

    @karthmin

    For that matter, I don’t think I’ve really seen that same issue addressed in fiction with respect to men, either. It is a problem that can effect anyone, regardless of gender. Sure, there are generalizations that we can make, but as soon as we get hung up on them and act like women *shouldn’t* struggle with such-and-such, and/or men *shouldn’t* struggle with this-or-that, that’s really problematic. Because, again, we’re all broken in unique ways.

    Yeah, that’s true. I guess I was just thinking of women in particular…but when it comes to fiction it would apply to men too.

    I wanted to clarify about when I said this:

    There’s all this fuss about guys “being visual” and guys “guarding their eyes”

    I wasn’t mocking or trying to downplay a problem…I was just trying to point out that it’s a generalization and it can apply to women too.

    *sigh* Me and my communicating skills. 😑

     

    I also wanted to comment on what you posted about the Church’s perspectives of people who identify as LGBTQ.

    3. Third, there is the perspective that I hold to, which is that every individual is born with unique proclivities to unique temptations. Everyone is born broken, and in very different ways. There are an infinite number of ways to draw a line crooked, not just one way. So when we maintain that all people are born under the mastery of sin, we are not saying that all people face the exact same temptations. Far from it.

    Never in all my life have I thought about it this way!! I’ve never heard anybody teach or explain that type of view either. I think I would have grown up with the 1. perspective…where we believe that people who are LGBTQ are simply that way because they choose to be. But I think I agree with you…it really makes logical sense. I really appreciated the respect and sensitivity that you used while writing that…thank you.

     

    "But how could you live and have no story to tell?" - Fyodor Dostoyevsky

    #62496

    Martin Detwiler
    @karthmin

    @mlbolangerauthor @eden-anderson Thank you both! I have had occasion to think about this issue a lot over the years as I have grown into adulthood. One of my older brothers identifies as gay, so I couldn’t exactly skirt around the issue. In addition, seeing the interactions and misunderstanding that has grown up between him and my parents has given me a unique perspective on it, I think.

    I knew what you meant, Eden, and it didn’t seem like you were be-littling the struggle of most men by what you said. 🙂 I also find that the attention and focus of a lot of the teaching about these issues focuses too much on surface issues, and ends up causing other problems instead, rather than getting to the heart of the matter. Thanks for clarifying anyway, though. 🙂

    (And you’re definitely right in your point that women who struggle with pornography seem to be an invisible demographic, as opposed to men. I didn’t intend to detract from that.)

     

    myths don't die

    #62649

    Eden Anderson
    @eden-anderson

    @karthmin

    I knew what you meant, Eden, and it didn’t seem like you were be-littling the struggle of most men by what you said. 🙂 I also find that the attention and focus of a lot of the teaching about these issues focuses too much on surface issues, and ends up causing other problems instead, rather than getting to the heart of the matter. Thanks for clarifying anyway, though. 🙂

    I am glad you understood…but I wanted to make sure. I REALLY did not want anybody to got the wrong impression.

    And no…you didn’t detract from anything! I knew what you were saying. 😀

    "But how could you live and have no story to tell?" - Fyodor Dostoyevsky

    #75250

    Karlacarridos
    @karlacarridos

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      #75661

      Michaela
      @mgtask

        Great question!

        I think it’s crucial for Christian authors to address these controversial topics, especially through fiction. The counter-Christian culture has had the upper hand in literature for too long, and it’s time for Christian authors to share their views. However, these topics should not be portrayed graphically. Rather, our reasoning should be explained through allegory, metaphor, and other means. Direct discussions about right v.s. wrong have their place. However, fiction provides the unique opportunity to illustrate (rather than tell) the consequences of sin and the rewards for obedience.  Readers need to know how these moral issues play out practically, rather than just saying, “this is wrong” with no elaboration.

        #86552

        MyClipboardIsMyViolin
        @myclipboardismyviolin

        Speaking as someone who has actually tried to evangelize a transgender person and witness properly to a group of transgender/LGTBQA individuals, the big thing is avoiding pride (that’s what they do with them gay pride events, so that’s not what we should do, heh). We should not ride in on our proverbial white horses and announce the superiority of our esteemed moral position over the lowly unbeliever. That would go for LGTBQA as well as the “other religion” debate (which has seemed to get lost in the LGTBQ debate thing, but that’s okay).

        The common denominator between the two is that we are asking people to accept a whole new reality and a whole new view of themselves. It’s really hard to describe how hard and even painful that this can be, but I kind of have a handle on it due to having experienced abuse by my dad all of my life. That was all I knew: it was normal for me. Now I’m free of it and I walk around in my life confused. I have to remind myself that most people don’t actually feel like punching you if you do something wrong, and part of my mind actually looks for ways to plunge myself back into the darkness, like getting myself involved in an abusive relationship, for example, because it’s what I’ve known. Intellectually, I use my scriptural knowledge to “catch” myself when all of this surfaces, and say as a daughter of the King that I don’t deserve to be treated like that, but it still affects my feelings.

        The same idea can be applied to the LQTBQ and those suffering from false religions. For many of them, the false religion is all they’ve ever known. False religions make a background drip of fear: what happens if I don’t keep the rules? What if what I’m believing is a lie? What if I’m not good enough? But this fear is all they’ve known, so they mistakenly assume that everyone else has the same background drip of fear and the same worries – or if they don’t, something is wrong with them. Then they look to everyone else to reassure themselves that they are right. When they can’t handle their reality because of trials and hardships, they blame themselves for not being good enough (and listen to other people blame them for not being good enough) and try again.

        I have actually read a book written by transgender people on their perspectives on their own lives, and I am developing a story right now to take back into that situation to attempt to evangelize. While I agree with what @sarah-inkdragon said here:

        Like I said before, some people are given the gift of being able to tackle such issues, and some people are not. The problem, however, in my eyes is not the fact that people have different gifts and talents and some people can handle witnessing to LGTBQA people and some cannot–but that people shut out things they do not understand, like, or agree with. Christians especially–don’t like LGTBQA? Ignore it. Don’t like the president? Ignore it. Don’t like Muslims? Ignore them too. If you don’t think about it, the problem will magically disappear. *cough* Sorry people, but that’s not how the world works. If you ignore your taxes, they’re not going to magically disappear either.

        And what someone else – I think it was @karthmin? said about fear and Christians hiding away from the world (maybe that was just me) – those unbelievers are sharks who hate us and are out to get us with the EVIL!!! They quote John 15:18-24 and hang out in terror, and forget that Jesus said that he has overcome the world. The world’s hatred is not something to be feared – the worst thing they can do to you is kill you, and yo, free ride to heaven. Pinpricks for immortals.

        How we got there was a string of paranoid and abusive parents who were scared that their children wouldn’t accept the Gospel so they decided to make sure they believed by never giving them any sort of alternative form of thought. Now those people have grown up and have been taught to believe that outside the Safe Christian Bubble is the Evil Empire. Ooo, scary. Credible threat, sure: thousands of souls delivered to hell daily, but it’s not a threat to me, and it won’t ever be, because I’m permanently outside the machine. Thus, it is better to be out fighting the Evil Empire because that actually helps me uncover the lies inside my own heart, see them, and get rid of them. The sin nature is already here, and the Evil Empire is already among us, so we’re better off out fighting.

        Which brings me to my main point – if I’m doing writing for a secular audience (false religions and LGTBQA) I would need to put things in my writing to appeal to that audience to get them to read it that would be absolutely revolting to Christian audiences. That doesn’t mean that my message has been compromised. That’s because people do horrible things before they come to Christ, and so my work would likely include those horrible things for an operating contrast against what life in Christ would do for them. I would also need to show the benefits of the truth from their perspective, not an internal Christian perspective. For example, transgender people live in a lot of fear and sustain a lot of abuse from other people, including people from their closest relationships. Accepting the truth would allow them to break free of that and leave it all behind. They will be able to have their lives back. Another cost is sterility, which is evaded if they merely realize who they are.

        But it has to feel real – otherwise they’ll never read it. The first sell is the book, and you have to sell ’em that before you can sell them the Gospel. And transpeople won’t read your book because of the Gospel – they will read it because of the transgender assassin character that murders her sexual abuser on page 94. However, if this person goes into a depression after the triumph has worn off, looks for meaning and purpose in life, and accepts the Gospel on page 200, then we have a story that might make a difference. But no Christian will ever read that story. Personally, I think that story is worth writing and will happily support writers of similar stories, because if one person gets saved from that book, it’s worth it.

        Others may not be so willing to write that, and that’s okay. But I’m a strong advocate of getting out of the Safe Christian Basement and going to war, and I would hope that some of you might be inclined to join me.

        Sarah, Miss S, Sierepica_Fuzzywalker

        #92771

        Holly Anne
        @holly-anne

          WOW!!! I have just been reading through this whole thread and it was so helpful!!! I really appreciated the way everyone put their views so clearly. Definitely provided a lot of clarity for me as I haven’t really thought about incorporating some of the things mentioned in my writing. Thank you all for creating and posting in this thread!!!

          "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger darling" (Inception)

          #92828

          Kayla Skywriter
          @kayla-skywriter

            Hi, I know I’m really late to this, but I do have one thing to say.

            As one of the youngest people on here I am also one of the youngest readers. I love reading, and one of my favorite genres to both read and write is realistic fiction. But, now when I find a realistic fiction book I have to check when it was written. Six new realistic fiction books that I read this year alone had LGTBQA characters. And two others I read were getting far to close to having sexual scenes. Amost all of the topics you mentioned are invading the world of fiction and are being held up as good things. One book compared being LGTBQA as being vegan.

            Young readers like me need, and want books that address these topics. It is not enough anymore to keep them out of books, they need to be challenged by Christian fiction.

            Also, if you want to read a book that deals with some of these topics from a christian perspective read The Eighth Ransom by Given Hoffman. It is a new book, by a new young author. But it is amazing.

            I’m just going to to ahead and tag everybody on this thread

            @holly-anne @myclipboardismyviolin @mgtask @karlacarridos @eden-anderson @karthmin @mlbolangerauthor @i-david @morreafirebird @daeus-lamb @sarah-inkdragon @r-m-archer @hope-ann @pursuewisdom @brie-donning @princess-foo  @josiah @thewirelessblade

            • This reply was modified 1 week, 5 days ago by  Kayla Skywriter. Reason: I got a tag wrong

            How we chose to fight is just as important as what we fight for

            #92853

            Holly Anne
            @holly-anne

              @kayla-skywriter

              I totally agree with you!!!! The biblical stance on these topics so needs to be discussed! It is SOOO hard to find good fiction/fantasy that stays true to the biblical viewpoint on subjects such as LGTBQA, etc..

              Totally agree that writers need to tackle these issues factually, biblically, and truthfully.

              Glad to meet so many other writers who believe the same!!!

               

              PS: How old are you?

              "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger darling" (Inception)

              #92860

              Kayla Skywriter
              @kayla-skywriter

                @holly-anne

                I am 14

                How we chose to fight is just as important as what we fight for

                #92866

                Holly Anne
                @holly-anne

                  Ok, I’m 16 🙂

                  "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger darling" (Inception)

                  #92888

                  Kayla Skywriter
                  @kayla-skywriter

                    @holly-anne

                    Nice to meet you

                    How we chose to fight is just as important as what we fight for

                    #92924

                    Holly Anne
                    @holly-anne

                      Nice to meet you too 🙂

                      "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger darling" (Inception)

                      #92930

                      Abigail Rebekah
                      @abigail-rebekah

                        I think it is sooo cool that you have discussions on these sort of subjects.

                        I definitely think Christian authors should address these issues, but not necessarily in everything. I would want to read a book that challenged these sort of ideas in a biblical and godly way and I do think Christians should make a point of discussing subjects like these in their books.

                        Anyway, it is definitely a blessing reading everyone’s thoughts about it, and encouraging to see so many like-minded people. 🙂

                        ~ Laugh. Drink Coffee. Smile. And Write ~

                        #93326

                        Banana Peacock Warrior
                        @banana-peacock-warrior

                          I agree with Abby- it’s so awesome that these types of conversations take place!

                          I mean, we ARE writing to a world that sees these tough issues and it isn’t like we can act like these problems don’t exist. Of course, we can’t, like, EMBRACE this stuff, but it still makes sense to address it from a Godly perspective.

                          “When anxiety was great within me, your consolation brought me joy.”
                          ‭‭Psalm‬ ‭94:19‬ ‭

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